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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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Richard good morning afternoon evening

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morning everything's going Richard I am

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interview with dr. Pamela gay from

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astronomy cast calm oh that's a great

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site that's a great site last absolutely

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good stories really popular and you can

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hear all about that i'm sure a lot of

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our listeners already know about Pamela

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gay and her pod can you think so because

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creationism vs. science yeah and

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profession today dr. gays an associate

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courses she also produces the popular

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science podcast astronomy cast with

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Fraser Cain each week they take their

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international audience on an educational

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professional astronomer Pamela's

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teaching by the day she works on

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astronomy data by night teaming up with

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citizen scientists to find new ways of

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projects through Swinburne astronomy

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online podcasting is a creative outlet

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making staying current in an

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ever-changing field of fun endeavor you

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cast calm and at ww start Strider calm

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hello Pamela hi Richard how are you

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doing I'm doing really well I'm doing

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particularly well because I'm so happy

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to talk with you it seems a long time

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galaxies and everything within them

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diversity of things that are waiting to

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that it's like oh oh oh dear I I will

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anything that surprises me yeah well it

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expose us to science and you can't

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something when they've never been

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they've never been presented with the

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science the facts of how our universe

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functions the physics of well what

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create a physical measurable influence

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on anything and so the best way to take

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be skeptical of astrology but sort of

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like shooting fish in a barrel really to

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be skeptical astrology one of the best

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practical jokes I think I've ever heard

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is one of the faculty who I shan't name

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at the University of Texas called up a

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exoplanet astronomer someone who studies

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planets around other stars demanding to

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know the locations of planets orbiting

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other stars to work out the astrological

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charts for their children's wedding it

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was completely a practical joke but when

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you start thinking about all the motions

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all the objects and then start trying to

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understand all the things that we

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haven't even detected yet yeah it's it's

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Turtles all the way down and about as

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believable as turtles all the way down

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Oh Pamela I think you've given me in

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half I'll listen is an evil idea to set

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up a new form of astrology exoplanet

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astrology the astrology of the future

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well you know if we're gonna settle

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alien worlds how many exoplanets have

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been discovered to your knowledge I last

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I looked we're up well over 200 well

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there you go i mean there's bound to be

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lots of influences and conjunctions in

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the third house of the six meridian of

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the second coming of age right and

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there's brown dwarf stars and there's

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red dwarf stars and all these objects

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that aren't necessarily all that far

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away and you know at a certain point you

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just have to go yeah there's other

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things on my planet who have a much

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greater effect and we don't care so why

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are we carrying about these celestial

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objects where's the magic that's right

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but I one of the things that we

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encounter many times it's

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part of our culture at least to grow up

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with the Stars what's your star sign and

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unless people spend the time in the

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effort to to question it or think about

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it a lot of times they'll go through

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their whole lives just assuming that is

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a part of the way that the universe

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works that people have star signs and it

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works this way or that way and what you

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have to start asking is if this is true

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why is it that only a certain section of

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the people get affected by cholera

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outbreaks get affected by tsunamis it's

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not only the people that are being

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affected by these natural disasters who

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have the same star signs you can have

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two twins that were born via cesarean

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section only moments apart and things in

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the universe aren't moving that fast and

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yet they'll undergo radically different

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lives yeah so if it's your star signs

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that matter how is it that you can have

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two people who grow up side-by-side

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conjoined twins how the heck can

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conjoined twins have different days one

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might get a crappy email in another one

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gets a really good email and yet what

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difference have these conjoined twins

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really experienced well the astrologers

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I've met out there will always have an

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answer the lamest answer we get from

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people who believe in magical thinking

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like astrology or psychics or something

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like that is when you put a question to

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them like that they'll say oh it doesn't

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work that way and this is where I say

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what physics and I say okay so take us

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on my truck fill it up with refrigerator

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magnets that are all oriented in the

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same direction and stand in front of it

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while its headlights shine on you and

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there you have the magnetic field you

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have the light you have the gravity and

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compare the effects that you're getting

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from this random truck to Jupiter I see

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Pamela you don't understand its

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spiritual energy yeah yeah like I said

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shooting fish in a barrel but it does

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that's interesting just going back to

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something you

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earlier about the fate of the universe

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when I was telling the other members of

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the skeptics own podcast that I'd be

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interviewing you our young astronomy

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student Tiffany day sent me an email

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saying can you please ask pamela in her

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opinion according to our current

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knowledge what she thinks the ultimate

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fate of our universe will be 0 our

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universe has such a sad fate in front of

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it oh it's it's gonna actually tear

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itself apart oh so over time our

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universe it's going to just keep

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expanding keep expanding forever and as

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it does this it's it's going to reach

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the point where well we don't think

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protons are stable the stuff that makes

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up hydrogen atoms there's a proton and

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electron in most hydrogen atoms and so

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there's going to be some day in the

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future where even the stuff that stars

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are made of starts to fall apart into

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pure energy and so as we have even white

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dwarf stars evaporating away as the

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protons decay as we have black holes

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evaporating away as black holes do via

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Hawking radiation we're going to end up

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with this soup of energy in a universe

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that's expanding such that that energy

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gets spread out so much that a firefly

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would be the most energetic thing in the

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entire universe by orders of magnitude

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what happens that's not very happy news

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because she's just got two new kittens

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so well we have really interviewers to

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worry about this so I think we're okay

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trillions of all that makes me feel a

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lot better can you please tell us a

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little bit about the very interesting

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and very popular podcast you're involved

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with called astronomy cast astronomy

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cast is a twice-weekly show that I put

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on with Fraser Cain of Universe Today

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and our first weekly show we take on a

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different topic each week anything from

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wise Pluto not a planet to well what is

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this relativity stuff that you might

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have heard about we take our listeners

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on a fact space journey through the

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cosmos try and help them understand not

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just what we know but why

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we know the things we know looking at

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the story looking at the data looking at

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well what are the facts that allow us to

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understand the universe and we realize

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that some of our shows cause more

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questions than they answer so our second

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show each week which admittedly when one

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of us sick or traveling may not happen

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but our second show most weeks is a

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listener questions show where we work to

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answer the questions that you or anyone

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else who listens to our show might

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happen to send in to us well you must

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get some very interesting questions

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because I know for a fact there are

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astronomy students who listen to your

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show and I'm sure they do from all

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around the world so the questions you

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must get are you ever stumped by these

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girls there have been some questions

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that they're harder than anything I ever

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encountered on an exam in graduate

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school and I have to admit I've given

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false information and had to do

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Corrections a couple of different times

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no people out there listen to what we

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have to say and then ponder it and come

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back with the most amazing well what if

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well I read can you explain and it keeps

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me on my feet every week and that's one

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of the great things about podcasting is

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it's a constant excuse to learn

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something new it's absolutely true and I

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speak from experience I enjoyed a very

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recent episode of astronomy cast where

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you're talking about time and why is it

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flowing in one direction and not another

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direction and I'm sure I all around the

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world all these people like myself or

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astronomy students are sitting there or

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on the treadmill and their brains is

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just snapping and exploding listening to

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the stuff it's it's good stuff family

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well thank you it's it's something we

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have a lot of fun putting together and

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I'm glad you're out there listening and

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enjoying it certainly are and you also

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have a blog of course and where did the

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name staffs try to come from alright so

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my blog star Strider calm and it comes

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from I there was a BBC radio series on

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the tokens Lord of the Rings and it

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refers to the character Aragorn a

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Strider throughout the entire series and

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driving back and forth and graduate

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school from mcdonald observatory i

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listened to the whole BBC Tolkien audio

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Oh Lord of the Rings series and decided

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to name my college computer Strider and

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in trying to come up with a name for my

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blog well it's it's a blog that talks

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about astronomy and academia so it

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became star Strider perfect that that's

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uh that's I never knew I never knew that

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you know no one's asking me that

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question before so cats out of the bag

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now the world knows and its stride with

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a why first for the the skeptic zone one

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of my early influences and one of the

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minute the people I credit with getting

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me going in this science and skepticism

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and what a fascinating world it is is

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the light Carl Sagan was he an influence

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on YouTube not as much um Carl Sagan I

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loved his fiction book contact it was

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the first book I really encountered that

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had a female role model as an astronomer

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in it but for me I think the biggest

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influence was actually Timothy Ferriss

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who isn't an astronomer but he's a

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really good science writer and back when

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I was in Middle School my uncle got me a

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copy of coming of age in the Milky Way

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which was just the coolest title for a

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book and I remember sitting the back

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seat of my parents car while driving off

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to summer camp or something I forget

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exactly where we were driving and just

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devouring the book and reading about the

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women at Harvard College observatory and

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their discoveries of variable stars and

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now what seems like several lifetimes

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later I'm a variable star observer now

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Pamela this year was very exciting for

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me I got to meet you for a start and I

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went to the states i went to dragoncon

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in the amazing meeting but when i met

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you at DragonCon one of the things that

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struck me about you was you were

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lurching towards me with a pin in your

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hand which you stuck on me this was for

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thee and thank you for doing that this

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was for the international year of

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astronomy which is next year what can

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you tell us about that well the

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international year of astronomy and I

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did pin you with one of our us iya pins

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the international year of astronomy is

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an international celebration of the

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universe it's

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our chances professional astronomers and

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as astronomy communicators and amateur

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astronomers to reach out to everyone who

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might not have ever taken the time to

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look up and say hey look up let me share

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the cosmos with you let me tell you a

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little bit about the art the history the

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science all the different things that

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astronomy I was touched on in the past

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400 years since Galileo first started

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turning astronomy and astrophysics by

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pointing his telescope at the planets

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and the Sun it's it's a wonderful event

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it's being organized by the

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International Astronomical Union and

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it's supported by the United Nations and

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by UNESCO and there are currently teams

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of people around the world in almost

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every nation working to plan local

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events when one of the things that I'm

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working on through the international new

546
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media Task Group is we're going to be

547
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putting together a daily eight to ten

548
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minute podcast called the 365 days

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astronomy podcast and we're going to be

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working to bring about eight minutes of

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content every single day of 2009 out to

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the public one of the other really cool

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programs is called from the earth to the

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universe and it's a public art program

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to bring the best images of space to the

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public in large format images that will

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be set out in public areas there's

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already a prototype exhibit up in

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Liverpool we have school programs we're

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working on producing $10 telescopes to

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get out to the kids of the planet it's

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everything from science to art to just

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trying to get people to go outside and

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shut their lights off and see what the

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sky looks like without all the light

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pollution that's so that's quite an

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undertaking how can our listeners how

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can our listeners become involved in

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some way well the the best way to find

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out what's going on is to go to the

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international year of astronomy

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international website which is astronomy

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2009 o RG and it lists all the different

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programs and their individual websites

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and if you want to talk to other people

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the forums the online discussion boards

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for the international year of astronomy

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are located over on cloudy night so just

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google cloudy nights forums anna you can

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find out what people are saying there

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and most nations have their own version

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of the I way website so for instance

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here in the United States we're a truant

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we're astronomy 2009 us try googling iya

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2009 in your country name or if you go

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to the International web website

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astronomy 2009 dot o RG you can find the

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website for your individual nation

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that's fantastic that's fantastic but of

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course you don't have to wait for 2009

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to enjoy astronomy and you certainly

592
00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:00,369
don't have to wait for 2009 to enjoy

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Pamela gay and phasic a non astronomy

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00:25:08,489 --> 00:25:06,789
cast just to annoy you even more Pamela

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if our listeners want to ask you a

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question for your astronomy cast what's

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00:25:16,199 --> 00:25:13,449
the best way they can do that you can

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drop us an email at info at astronomy

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00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,509
cast com well thank you for that Pamela

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and I'm sure our listeners can come up

601
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:22,719
with even more questions to stump you

602
00:25:29,249 --> 00:25:26,529
and thank you again for all your efforts

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especially without reach because i love

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outreach myself i love doing outreach to

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00:25:35,999 --> 00:25:34,269
bring the magic of science and in your

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case the magic of astronomy to as many

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00:25:40,589 --> 00:25:38,440
people as possible well it's been my

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pleasure richard and keep doing what

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you're doing we need more people

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thinking critically about the world

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death from the skies is the latest book

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by our good friend dr. Phil Plait also

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00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:06,530
known as the bad astronomer and here

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00:26:11,710 --> 00:26:08,809
with her take on Phil's latest book his

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first year astronomy student and new

616
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skeptic zone member tiffany day as a

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current first-year astronomy and

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00:26:20,890 --> 00:26:18,950
astrophysics student i couldn't think of

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a book i've recently been anticipating

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00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:22,940
more than dr. phillip plates death from

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the skies these are the ways the world

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will end and man was i not disappointed

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in true phil plait style for those who

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are familiar with his blog bad astronomy

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the book is littered with humor and

626
00:26:39,610 --> 00:26:37,340
witty remarks woven in between detailed

627
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:39,620
scientific explanations of the various

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possible scenarios which could

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ultimately lead to the demise of our

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little blue planet earth bill covers all

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the deadly weapons that astronomy has

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unveiled to us asteroid impacts comet

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impacts solar flares nearby supernova

634
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explosions gamma ray bursts black holes

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and much much more even the ultimate

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death of the universe itself yet through

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all the doom and gloom of the ways the

638
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:09,470
universe is trying to kill us we are

639
00:27:13,180 --> 00:27:11,330
constantly reminded that the likelihood

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00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:13,190
of being engulfed by a gamma ray burst

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00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:15,170
or sucked into a black hole are

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00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:18,320
extremely unlikely it's a science

643
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beneath all these hypothetical scenarios

644
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:22,370
that makes the book so interesting and

645
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:25,730
or inspiring the reality of the universe

646
00:27:31,030 --> 00:27:28,610
is much more amazing and dangerous than

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00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:31,040
any doomsday movie or biblical rapture

648
00:27:36,610 --> 00:27:33,290
could ever hope to convey and this book

649
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,620
illustrates that point perfectly yet it

650
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:38,480
is important to know that despite the

651
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:40,490
possibility of all this impending doom

652
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:43,730
we're actually quite safe our small

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00:27:47,740 --> 00:27:45,650
little planet is in a great location and

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00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:47,750
our atmosphere works well as a shield

655
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,929
between us and the harsh vacuum of space

656
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:53,279
I think this book does a really good job

657
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:54,779
of putting everything into perspective

658
00:28:00,980 --> 00:27:57,570
and realizing how extremely lucky we are

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00:28:02,539 --> 00:28:00,990
to be alive in the first place although

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00:28:05,239 --> 00:28:02,549
most of the dangers that lurk in the

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universe seemed quite scary Phil reminds

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00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:06,809
us that it's pretty much certain we

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00:28:11,239 --> 00:28:08,700
won't experience any of this stuff in

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00:28:14,259 --> 00:28:11,249
our own lifetimes so there's no need to

665
00:28:16,909 --> 00:28:14,269
get your knickers in a twist with War II

666
00:28:19,789 --> 00:28:16,919
the book is also very nicely worded

667
00:28:21,710 --> 00:28:19,799
without too much scientific jargon so

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00:28:23,629 --> 00:28:21,720
you don't have to be a PhD astronomy

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00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:23,639
student to understand the science behind

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00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,940
all the events that are discussed having

671
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:28,799
myself been studying just this past

672
00:28:34,249 --> 00:28:30,990
semester the details of nuclear fusion

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00:28:36,889 --> 00:28:34,259
of hydrogen nuclei into helium which is

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the sun's source of energy I found the

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00:28:40,639 --> 00:28:38,399
books explanation of this to be

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00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:40,649
extremely clear and thorough without

677
00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:43,559
sounding too complicated this is pretty

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00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:46,129
much echoed throughout the whole book

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00:28:50,090 --> 00:28:48,450
there really are lots of different

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00:28:53,060 --> 00:28:50,100
potential ways that the universe could

681
00:28:54,889 --> 00:28:53,070
kill us the only way to fully understand

682
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:54,899
the reality and the power of these

683
00:28:58,700 --> 00:28:56,820
concepts is to indulge yourself in

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00:29:01,279 --> 00:28:58,710
astronomy one of the most exhilarating

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00:29:03,769 --> 00:29:01,289
and downright interesting sciences that

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00:29:07,159 --> 00:29:03,779
there is and this book is the perfect

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00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:07,169
tool to use after all astronomy is the

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00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:09,090
study of space and the universe and

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00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:12,809
we're living in it in my opinion Phil

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00:29:16,909 --> 00:29:14,580
plates book does exactly what his blog

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00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,919
bad astronomy does and highlights the

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amazement and the wonder of the space

693
00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:21,779
around us while also encouraging us to

694
00:29:26,299 --> 00:29:23,220
fall in love with the science of

695
00:29:28,460 --> 00:29:26,309
astronomy so if you love scary

696
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:28,470
Armageddon movies about asteroid impacts

697
00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:31,440
and tsunamis and ice ages why not try

698
00:29:50,250 --> 00:29:33,299
the real thing and grab yourself a copy

699
00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:52,800
I'm Carly Sturgis and for this interview

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i'll be talking to a man has been a

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00:29:59,730 --> 00:29:57,100
journalist for 20 years 14 of those as a

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00:30:02,130 --> 00:29:59,740
science correspondent his degree is in

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geology but whilst working for science

704
00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:04,570
magazine and several science programs he

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00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:06,160
has tackled a number of different fields

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00:30:11,730 --> 00:30:09,000
from quantum physics to microbiology

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00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:11,740
despite this I can't reveal his real

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00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:14,170
name because he chooses to be anonymous

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00:30:19,950 --> 00:30:17,920
online he's known as pothole of 54 one

710
00:30:22,700 --> 00:30:19,960
of the most popular science broadcasters

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00:30:25,020 --> 00:30:22,710
on the free hosting video site YouTube

712
00:30:27,210 --> 00:30:25,030
within a week of him uploading short

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00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:27,220
films on topics ranging from climate

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control evolution human ancestry and the

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00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:32,950
scientific method he reaches an audience

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of hundreds of thousands one on climate

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change has recently hit 13 thousand

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00:30:44,610 --> 00:30:41,740
views just within two weeks pothole of

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54 describes his made easy series is

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designed to explain the evidence that

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shows how we got here from the Big Bang

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to human migration Out of Africa and to

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00:30:55,290 --> 00:30:53,530
counter the unsupported idea that this

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somehow happened through the power of an

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invisible being originally from England

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00:31:02,970 --> 00:31:00,730
he has retired to sunny Australia and he

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00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:02,980
gives us an exclusive for the skeptic

728
00:31:08,010 --> 00:31:05,710
zone firstly I'd like to thank pothole

729
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:08,020
or 54 for giving us the opportunity to

730
00:31:13,380 --> 00:31:10,770
talk to him here on the skeptic zone

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00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:13,390
what was the original inspiration for

732
00:31:18,450 --> 00:31:15,610
using YouTube and have you tried working

733
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:18,460
in other problems and media before well

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00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:20,170
i was on a christian forum for about a

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year but i found it was impossible to

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debate subjects like evolution in the

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age of the earth because fundamentalists

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00:31:33,420 --> 00:31:28,780
on the forum simply had no understanding

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of basic biology and geology they didn't

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know what the theory of evolution said

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for example some people thought it meant

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that one species could give birth to an

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animal of a completely different species

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00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:43,180
and a lot of people thought that life

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00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:45,550
came from the Big Bang so instead of

746
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:47,410
having an intelligent discussion I found

747
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:49,330
I was having to teach remedial biology

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00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:51,610
and physics and this happened again and

749
00:31:55,770 --> 00:31:53,710
again as more people joined the forum so

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the reason I decided to make a video was

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simply to explain all this in an easy

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form that people could understand and

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00:32:04,110 --> 00:32:02,080
then I could refer them to the video

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every time I had to repeat my

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00:32:08,850 --> 00:32:07,000
what do you consider is a useful formula

756
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:08,860
to keep in mind if you're hoping to

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00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:10,510
produce youtube videos that are

758
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,320
educational i would say easiest thing

759
00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:16,240
don't just think you can sit in front of

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a camera and fluent words will pour out

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and mesmerize your audience because that

762
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doesn't happen even stand-ups camera

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00:32:28,770 --> 00:32:26,710
have to start with the script so write

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your script polish it polish it again

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polish it again which basically means

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cutting any superfluous junk and make

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the final script as tight as possible

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well considering that more than 120

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million americans believe that God

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created Adam and Eve more than 10,000

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years ago how do you suggest that people

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deal with such predominant beliefs that

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challenge evolution both online and

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offline well I grew up in Britain and I

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don't think I ever met anyone who

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thought the universe was 6,500 years old

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and I was a choir boy at Winchester

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Cathedral even the Anglican bishop took

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a more metaphorical approach to the

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Bible I can only think of one person I

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knew at University it was a practicing

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00:33:12,450 --> 00:33:10,060
Christian and in Australia I've met

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00:33:14,430 --> 00:33:12,460
quite a few more but I get on very well

784
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with them in the United States as much

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00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,900
more polarization over this issue and I

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I think one reason might be the

787
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isolation of so many fundamentalists who

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live in communities where everybody

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believes in God and everybody around you

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your family your community it's just a

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given and they probably don't think

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they've ever met atheists of course they

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have but since no one is really able to

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declare their atheism in communities

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like that most people think that there

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aren't any I think they're genuinely

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00:33:47,220 --> 00:33:45,370
surprised when I chat to them online and

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they discover that I'm polite quite

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happy and very sympathetic I don't have

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a problem with people's personal beliefs

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at all as long as their personal and

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00:34:00,510 --> 00:33:58,480
their beliefs the only time this becomes

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a problem is when people start preaching

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their beliefs as the absolute truth and

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something that has to be imposed on

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00:34:10,860 --> 00:34:08,140
others one of the comments on your site

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00:34:13,050 --> 00:34:10,870
asks you whether you're inspired by the

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00:34:14,490 --> 00:34:13,060
likes of Carl Sagan and you say that he

809
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:14,500
was not a formative influence but

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certainly someone you

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came across later in life so who do your

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creditors being a formative influence

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00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:22,679
when you were growing up two things one

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was the moon landing which I avidly

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followed as a kid and the other was a

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00:34:30,889 --> 00:34:29,010
science fiction program in Britain

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called doom watch which was about a

818
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,669
government department comprising three

819
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scientists who acted as sort of trouble

820
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shooters for any science related

821
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problems that struck the UK seemed to me

822
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:42,030
they made science look really cool and I

823
00:34:46,099 --> 00:34:43,619
thought that's what I want to do we're

824
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,109
psychedelic cravats and flared jeans and

825
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:48,000
zap around the country like Batman with

826
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a slide rule solving all kinds of

827
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,700
science problems recently dr. cow in an

828
00:34:56,569 --> 00:34:54,960
interview with the skeptic zone

829
00:34:58,609 --> 00:34:56,579
expressed some well Dermot that its

830
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evolutionary theory which produces more

831
00:35:02,180 --> 00:35:00,359
opposition than any other scientific

832
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:02,190
theory so do you think there's more

833
00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:04,260
emotional involvement with evolution

834
00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:06,060
creationism that sparks is sort of

835
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:10,020
debate quick answer yes long answer well

836
00:35:14,660 --> 00:35:12,089
the emotional reaction to this is really

837
00:35:17,420 --> 00:35:14,670
down to one simple thing evolution means

838
00:35:19,569 --> 00:35:17,430
that we are not as far as fundamentalist

839
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:19,579
concern means that we're not special

840
00:35:22,849 --> 00:35:21,300
fundamentalists have an absolute

841
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:22,859
abhorrence of the idea that humans

842
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:24,810
aren't special that we're animals like

843
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any other animal and that we're

844
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,290
descended from animals they've been

845
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:30,240
taught for so long that this specialness

846
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:32,790
is what gives us our purpose in life and

847
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,790
without purpose and specialness in our

848
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,920
lives then our lives are supposedly

849
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:40,079
empty now you and I can cope very well

850
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,730
with the concept of evolution because we

851
00:35:45,410 --> 00:35:43,440
think our lives can still be rich and

852
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:45,420
fulfilling and we make our own purpose

853
00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:47,130
in life if we feel we need to have a

854
00:35:52,370 --> 00:35:49,950
purpose but they simply can't do this

855
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:52,380
and taking away that specialness takes

856
00:35:57,319 --> 00:35:55,410
away their lives and with it their after

857
00:36:00,260 --> 00:35:57,329
lives and that's why they fight the idea

858
00:36:01,460 --> 00:36:00,270
of evolution so vociferously I don't

859
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:01,470
think evolution is being attacked

860
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:03,300
because of what Hitler Hitler did I I

861
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,160
think that what Hitler did is being used

862
00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:07,440
as a reason to attack evolution so it's

863
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:09,060
really the other way around but of

864
00:36:12,410 --> 00:36:10,500
course the attack misses the mark

865
00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:12,420
because Hitler didn't understand the

866
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:14,849
principle that natural selection it has

867
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,440
nothing to do with genocide or the

868
00:36:21,319 --> 00:36:18,720
triumph of the strong over the weak it's

869
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:21,329
about survival of the fittest and what

870
00:36:25,579 --> 00:36:23,310
made some humans fitter was their

871
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:25,589
ability to cooperate and help help one

872
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:29,130
another along tribes that did this sir

873
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,220
lived so they were fitter tribes that

874
00:36:36,319 --> 00:36:34,079
were selfish and uncooperative fell

875
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:36,329
apart now the fact that Hitler referred

876
00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:37,890
to the principle of natural selection as

877
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:39,720
part of his justification for genocide

878
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:41,849
is a very good reason why we need to

879
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:44,130
teach natural selection and evolution in

880
00:36:49,099 --> 00:36:46,140
schools so that people understand the

881
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:49,109
theories properly it appears that people

882
00:36:53,089 --> 00:36:50,910
who believe in intelligent design find

883
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,099
the DNA code less problematic than the

884
00:36:57,620 --> 00:36:55,440
ideas of Darwin and your video certainly

885
00:36:59,059 --> 00:36:57,630
draw upon that so do you have an

886
00:37:01,279 --> 00:36:59,069
explanation for why belief in

887
00:37:03,859 --> 00:37:01,289
intelligent design is Noah so widespread

888
00:37:06,259 --> 00:37:03,869
as in the United States where most of

889
00:37:07,279 --> 00:37:06,269
your viewers come from I think there's a

890
00:37:09,049 --> 00:37:07,289
much greater tradition of

891
00:37:11,809 --> 00:37:09,059
intellectualism if you want to call it

892
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:11,819
that and critical thinking in Europe the

893
00:37:17,089 --> 00:37:13,890
United States is a pioneering country

894
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:17,099
and intellectualism over there is seen

895
00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:20,400
as elitist and I think critical thinking

896
00:37:25,269 --> 00:37:22,920
is seen as something subversive but i

897
00:37:27,380 --> 00:37:25,279
have to say there's a clear divide

898
00:37:29,059 --> 00:37:27,390
fundamentalism is strong south of the

899
00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:29,069
mason-dixon line and in what they call

900
00:37:33,319 --> 00:37:31,259
the fly of a country but this is worlds

901
00:37:35,710 --> 00:37:33,329
apart from the America represented by

902
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:35,720
places like Massachusetts and California

903
00:37:40,099 --> 00:37:37,890
one of the great things about your

904
00:37:42,319 --> 00:37:40,109
youtube series is that you make it

905
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:42,329
freely available as a resource and the

906
00:37:46,099 --> 00:37:44,490
made easy series of videos are able to

907
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,109
be freely copied and distributed for

908
00:37:49,249 --> 00:37:48,000
educational purposes and you said that

909
00:37:52,309 --> 00:37:49,259
you want to make it available for

910
00:37:54,140 --> 00:37:52,319
schools despite this other elements that

911
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:54,150
you keep in mind in order to make them

912
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:55,500
school friendly and is there a

913
00:38:00,019 --> 00:37:57,690
limitation upon at the age range for

914
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:00,029
schools I made them freely available

915
00:38:04,249 --> 00:38:02,130
because I don't want to make a business

916
00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:04,259
out of this I'm happy if people can

917
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,630
learn something from the videos but

918
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:09,119
after the made easy series came out I

919
00:38:14,809 --> 00:38:11,099
started getting a lot of dvds from

920
00:38:16,309 --> 00:38:14,819
teachers asking to have copies that they

921
00:38:18,559 --> 00:38:16,319
could show them in schools and colleges

922
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:18,569
now they're not primarily meant as a

923
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:21,599
teaching tool for science obviously they

924
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:24,930
are part of a debating tool opposing the

925
00:38:30,529 --> 00:38:27,089
teaching of intelligent design or the

926
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:30,539
the idea that creationism is somehow a

927
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:33,210
science so they're really not meant for

928
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:35,490
children I think that's rather an odd

929
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:37,049
thing to say but but that wasn't my

930
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:39,210
intention so it's a bit reluctant at

931
00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:41,450
first to send the DVDs out to this

932
00:38:46,810 --> 00:38:44,750
I had a conversation with a couple of

933
00:38:50,410 --> 00:38:46,820
teachers and I discovered something

934
00:38:52,930 --> 00:38:50,420
which made me change my mind and what

935
00:38:54,339 --> 00:38:52,940
they told me was that religion is coming

936
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,349
into the science classroom they are

937
00:38:58,900 --> 00:38:56,480
actually discussing these things like it

938
00:39:01,390 --> 00:38:58,910
or not and they say that these videos

939
00:39:03,819 --> 00:39:01,400
helped put the religion science debate

940
00:39:05,530 --> 00:39:03,829
in context in Australia we're heading

941
00:39:07,569 --> 00:39:05,540
towards a national curriculum and it's

942
00:39:09,490 --> 00:39:07,579
caused a lot of debate amongst educators

943
00:39:11,319 --> 00:39:09,500
and politicians about the sort of things

944
00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:11,329
that should be included do you think

945
00:39:16,270 --> 00:39:13,820
that YouTube has a place in helping out

946
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:16,280
with the education of young people would

947
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:19,010
you for example endorse the scientists

948
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:21,020
and schools program as being a useful

949
00:39:25,870 --> 00:39:23,839
strategy I'd love to make science more

950
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:25,880
fun and more interesting I think we're

951
00:39:31,210 --> 00:39:27,890
all born with a natural curiosity and we

952
00:39:33,339 --> 00:39:31,220
want to know how things work even small

953
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,349
boys throwing stones into a mud puddle

954
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,599
is science it's the kind of science

955
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,040
experiment they're looking to see what

956
00:39:41,260 --> 00:39:39,680
happens if only schools would harness

957
00:39:43,150 --> 00:39:41,270
that and work with it instead of

958
00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:43,160
sticking kids in classrooms and getting

959
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:45,950
them to recite Newton's laws of motion I

960
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,410
think that they would find fewer kids

961
00:39:53,290 --> 00:39:51,200
dropping out of science because kids

962
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,300
aunt a year seven fascinated and excited

963
00:39:57,250 --> 00:39:55,040
by science and then they leave year ten

964
00:40:00,730 --> 00:39:57,260
bored stiff with it what is going wrong

965
00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:00,740
during those three years I think making

966
00:40:04,329 --> 00:40:02,540
science much more about experimenting

967
00:40:05,950 --> 00:40:04,339
and getting kids to discover things for

968
00:40:08,050 --> 00:40:05,960
themselves and work things out for

969
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:08,060
themselves I think that's what would

970
00:40:12,819 --> 00:40:10,690
really keep that spark of interest going

971
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:12,829
now the scientists in Schools program

972
00:40:16,809 --> 00:40:15,770
that you mentioned great idea yeah I did

973
00:40:19,089 --> 00:40:16,819
have a look at this my kids were

974
00:40:20,290 --> 00:40:19,099
involved in another csir own initiative

975
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:20,300
which was called the double helix

976
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:22,910
program and they joined a two-day

977
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:25,280
science program during the holidays it

978
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:27,770
was great fun because they interacted

979
00:40:32,109 --> 00:40:29,569
with real scientists and did some fun

980
00:40:35,410 --> 00:40:32,119
hands-on experiments and yes I'd love to

981
00:40:37,059 --> 00:40:35,420
see more of that but regarding the

982
00:40:40,890 --> 00:40:37,069
online resources you have to be very

983
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:40,900
careful a CSIRO website of course is

984
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:43,490
reliable I'm happy with that but

985
00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:46,609
wikipedia a lot less so I I had a kid

986
00:40:52,270 --> 00:40:48,710
who wrote to me and said that he was

987
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:52,280
using my videos as a source for a

988
00:40:55,059 --> 00:40:53,839
science essay and I was absolutely

989
00:40:57,519 --> 00:40:55,069
horrified I told

990
00:40:59,439 --> 00:40:57,529
that he shouldn't use an anonymous

991
00:41:01,630 --> 00:40:59,449
youtube video with as a source for

992
00:41:03,729 --> 00:41:01,640
anything I've said the same thing on the

993
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:03,739
video for what I do do is encourage

994
00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:05,569
people to watch the videos and then

995
00:41:09,249 --> 00:41:07,430
hopefully go out and learn more find out

996
00:41:10,959 --> 00:41:09,259
more about this I mean and everything

997
00:41:14,170 --> 00:41:10,969
that I've given there you can find in

998
00:41:16,809 --> 00:41:14,180
school textbooks and I think a lot of

999
00:41:18,279 --> 00:41:16,819
people have taken that and gone out and

1000
00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:18,289
learned a lot more about it which is

1001
00:41:22,089 --> 00:41:20,630
fantastic I don't think you'll find many

1002
00:41:25,509 --> 00:41:22,099
people disagreeing about the necessity

1003
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:25,519
of anonymity online I mean there's such

1004
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:27,529
elements as personal safety right to a

1005
00:41:32,019 --> 00:41:29,690
choice professional dis Association

1006
00:41:33,459 --> 00:41:32,029
would you ever however consider outing

1007
00:41:36,130 --> 00:41:33,469
yourself and is it really necessary

1008
00:41:38,499 --> 00:41:36,140
anyway are there ventures that tempt you

1009
00:41:39,759 --> 00:41:38,509
to be public about your identity and do

1010
00:41:41,259 --> 00:41:39,769
you find that there's a comfortable

1011
00:41:44,289 --> 00:41:41,269
division that lets you get the job done

1012
00:41:47,140 --> 00:41:44,299
I keep myself anonymous because I still

1013
00:41:49,150 --> 00:41:47,150
broadcast for two major networks in

1014
00:41:51,219 --> 00:41:49,160
particular so apart from the fact that

1015
00:41:53,890 --> 00:41:51,229
I'm very careful in my professional role

1016
00:41:55,390 --> 00:41:53,900
not to expose my personal views I i

1017
00:41:57,489 --> 00:41:55,400
think that there's a danger of

1018
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:57,499
perception of bias obviously I also

1019
00:42:00,789 --> 00:41:59,119
didn't want fundamentalist hurrain the

1020
00:42:02,849 --> 00:42:00,799
network's I work for complaining that

1021
00:42:05,170 --> 00:42:02,859
they're employing the spawn of the devil

1022
00:42:08,049 --> 00:42:05,180
really there's no reason for me to give

1023
00:42:10,769 --> 00:42:08,059
my name but if I had to give my name for

1024
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:10,779
some reason yeah I'm sure i'd do it and

1025
00:42:15,609 --> 00:42:14,209
thank you very much to pothole or 54 if

1026
00:42:19,209 --> 00:42:15,619
you would like to get to know more of

1027
00:42:22,660 --> 00:42:19,219
his work online head to youtube com

1028
00:42:26,259 --> 00:42:22,670
forward slash user forward slash

1029
00:42:28,329 --> 00:42:26,269
potholer 54 and if you head to that site

1030
00:42:31,180 --> 00:42:28,339
he will now discover that the updated

1031
00:42:33,789 --> 00:42:31,190
corrected high quality DVD version of

1032
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:33,799
the made easy series is now ready for

1033
00:42:38,739 --> 00:42:36,170
distribution you have the opportunity to

1034
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:38,749
download a free copy by following the

1035
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:53,069
this is brian dunning from skep tide

1036
00:42:58,229 --> 00:42:56,410
calm skep tide is a short weekly podcast

1037
00:43:00,599 --> 00:42:58,239
taking a critical look at the

1038
00:43:02,969 --> 00:43:00,609
pseudo-sciences that infect popular

1039
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:02,979
culture whenever I'm not locked in the

1040
00:43:12,269 --> 00:43:05,710
recording studio I'm listening to the

1041
00:43:15,509 --> 00:43:12,279
skeptic zone internet censorship on the

1042
00:43:18,209 --> 00:43:15,519
13th of december 2008 about 200 people

1043
00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:18,219
turned up the forecourt of Sydney's town

1044
00:43:23,609 --> 00:43:20,950
hall to protest plans by the government

1045
00:43:25,529 --> 00:43:23,619
to censor the internet this could

1046
00:43:28,049 --> 00:43:25,539
possibly slow the internet down in

1047
00:43:30,749 --> 00:43:28,059
Australia by eighty-seven percent as the

1048
00:43:33,569 --> 00:43:30,759
government or whoever opened every

1049
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:33,579
single exchange to look for unwarranted

1050
00:43:39,509 --> 00:43:36,640
or illegal content illegal internet

1051
00:43:41,549 --> 00:43:39,519
content is so broadly defined at law

1052
00:43:44,609 --> 00:43:41,559
that it covers everything from facebook

1053
00:43:47,609 --> 00:43:44,619
to myspace to Wikipedia and YouTube I

1054
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:47,619
went down to the protest to see for

1055
00:43:57,810 --> 00:43:56,130
now some of you may remember Dave the

1056
00:44:00,330 --> 00:43:57,820
happy singer from an earlier episode of

1057
00:44:02,010 --> 00:44:00,340
the skeptic sunglo David hello Richard

1058
00:44:04,170 --> 00:44:02,020
how are you I'm really well here we are

1059
00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:04,180
in the center of the city downtown

1060
00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:05,470
Sydney and there are some people

1061
00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:07,390
gathered here for the internet protest

1062
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:09,580
today yeah that's right were protesting

1063
00:44:14,310 --> 00:44:11,710
about the plan to introduce a mandatory

1064
00:44:16,590 --> 00:44:14,320
internet filter by the Communications

1065
00:44:18,330 --> 00:44:16,600
Minister Stephen Conroy it's just insane

1066
00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:18,340
is it I mean apart from the fact that

1067
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:20,470
it's completely impractical it's going

1068
00:44:23,610 --> 00:44:21,760
to turn us into a laughingstock well

1069
00:44:26,730 --> 00:44:23,620
it's it's completely impractical it's

1070
00:44:29,550 --> 00:44:26,740
it's a dangerous precedent for an

1071
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:29,560
allegedly free country it's a huge waste

1072
00:44:32,370 --> 00:44:30,970
of taxpayer money and the government

1073
00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:32,380
doesn't seem to be consulting either

1074
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:33,940
with the industry or with the public on

1075
00:44:38,610 --> 00:44:36,790
this this just seems to be a huge [\h__\h]

1076
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:38,620
up and starts finish I tend to agree i

1077
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:39,970
think it's probably something that

1078
00:44:44,460 --> 00:44:41,710
they've just pasta lating about and I

1079
00:44:46,740 --> 00:44:44,470
think they probably know deep down it's

1080
00:44:49,710 --> 00:44:46,750
just ridiculous and impossible but we'll

1081
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:49,720
see I think of the important thing today

1082
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:52,810
is that we get the point across that the

1083
00:44:56,610 --> 00:44:54,850
public is dead against this yeah the

1084
00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:56,620
industry will do its part in explaining

1085
00:45:01,950 --> 00:44:58,570
that this is utterly impractical and

1086
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:01,960
unworkable and then we're just like us

1087
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:03,250
we just got to trust the politicians to

1088
00:45:08,730 --> 00:45:04,480
make the right decision on the trust of

1089
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:08,740
the politicians oh you know the show is

1090
00:45:13,860 --> 00:45:11,760
called the skipper loser over the

1091
00:45:16,140 --> 00:45:13,870
highlights I think must get to Scism is

1092
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:16,150
an incompatible with my optimism or make

1093
00:45:21,330 --> 00:45:19,290
a good point Dave thank you no problem

1094
00:45:23,130 --> 00:45:21,340
and there are more people gathering

1095
00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:23,140
around here as I look around it's still

1096
00:45:26,970 --> 00:45:24,550
pretty hot and sticky incident today

1097
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,980
hello hey you ain't fun what's your name

1098
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:29,200
naive and why are you here today I'm

1099
00:45:34,860 --> 00:45:31,030
here to protest the censorship of the

1100
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:34,870
internet which is wrong pretty much in a

1101
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:36,010
nutshell they're going to take away

1102
00:45:40,770 --> 00:45:39,610
things like well what they consider the

1103
00:45:42,930 --> 00:45:40,780
bad stuff but what they're going to do

1104
00:45:45,210 --> 00:45:42,940
is there accidentally going to censor 20

1105
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:45,220
million sites things like breast cancer

1106
00:45:49,290 --> 00:45:47,020
research and things like that because if

1107
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:49,300
it has a picture of a breast that can be

1108
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,310
classified as prawn and quite frankly

1109
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:53,440
it's wrong if it's going to censor

1110
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:55,810
things like a medical issue absolutely

1111
00:46:01,290 --> 00:45:59,170
so absolutely yeah and as I was thinking

1112
00:46:02,850 --> 00:46:01,300
before it's as if they could really do

1113
00:46:04,350 --> 00:46:02,860
this I mean it's going to be such a mess

1114
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:04,360
if they try to bring it in well to be

1115
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:05,710
quite frank they'd be going along the

1116
00:46:08,850 --> 00:46:07,330
same lines as China like if you go over

1117
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:08,860
to China and you search something like

1118
00:46:11,730 --> 00:46:10,450
tanaman square pictures you will get

1119
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:11,740
pictures of the tamanna and square but

1120
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:13,090
you will not get any of the information

1121
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:14,560
about the students or anything that

1122
00:46:18,570 --> 00:46:16,510
night that it's wrong government's

1123
00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:18,580
trying to censor things like I don't

1124
00:46:22,110 --> 00:46:20,140
know the issues that face people today

1125
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:22,120
like as I said the medical issues and

1126
00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:23,650
things like that it's just I don't

1127
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:25,060
understand why they would be doing it

1128
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:27,130
like I think they're doing it for some

1129
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:28,930
sort of weird popularity grab or

1130
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:30,130
something well it's not going to be a

1131
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,450
popularity grab it's actually going to

1132
00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:32,800
kill their popularity if you think about

1133
00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:34,540
it because a lot of the people use the

1134
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:37,060
internet like every day for different

1135
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:40,510
things like they're actually locking

1136
00:46:43,770 --> 00:46:41,890
things like chat sites and things like

1137
00:46:45,420 --> 00:46:43,780
that like the ways that people stay in

1138
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:45,430
contact with their family like yeah

1139
00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:46,990
because there are certain I know certain

1140
00:46:49,230 --> 00:46:48,040
people who stay in contact through

1141
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:49,240
certain forums and things like that

1142
00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:51,420
which I had the risk of being there

1143
00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:53,730
they do cover controversial issues yeah

1144
00:47:01,040 --> 00:46:55,260
to be quite honest in this day and age

1145
00:47:05,309 --> 00:47:03,870
everything is not perfect and if they're

1146
00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:05,319
going to try and sense the internet so

1147
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:07,660
maybe cushion everything it's not right

1148
00:47:10,530 --> 00:47:09,310
you have to expose people to certain

1149
00:47:11,460 --> 00:47:10,540
issues otherwise they're not going to be

1150
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:11,470
able to cope with it in the day-to-day

1151
00:47:14,819 --> 00:47:13,089
life if they are faced with it

1152
00:47:17,250 --> 00:47:14,829
absolutely and the rest of the first

1153
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:17,260
world will be will be laughing at us

1154
00:47:20,930 --> 00:47:18,880
well pretty much in a nutshell they are

1155
00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:20,940
probably already laughing at it like

1156
00:47:25,260 --> 00:47:23,950
what are you gonna do yeah well we're

1157
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:25,270
here today to do something about that

1158
00:47:32,339 --> 00:47:30,130
straight thank you very much and I'm

1159
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:32,349
with Fiona Patten now with a wonderful

1160
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:36,160
yellow t-shirt this is boat 16 party ova

1161
00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:39,250
you we're serious about sex goodness me

1162
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:41,140
now what brings you here today well

1163
00:47:45,690 --> 00:47:42,970
we're the Australian sex parties so of

1164
00:47:47,069 --> 00:47:45,700
course the internet filter which is

1165
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:47,079
going to want some of the only legal

1166
00:47:52,410 --> 00:47:48,880
content that it's going to ban or

1167
00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:52,420
blacklist is adult erotic material so

1168
00:47:57,839 --> 00:47:55,030
we're there to defend that the users and

1169
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,849
and the providers of that adult material

1170
00:48:01,710 --> 00:48:00,400
that's right because it's as far as I

1171
00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:01,720
know in this country it's a completely

1172
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:03,790
legitimate industry it is a completely

1173
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:05,650
legal industry and the material that

1174
00:48:09,150 --> 00:48:07,210
they're talking about blacklisting I

1175
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:09,160
mean this is not the the you know if you

1176
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:10,329
don't want your children to see it this

1177
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:12,880
is blacklisted so even adults can't

1178
00:48:18,180 --> 00:48:15,490
access its material that is in magazines

1179
00:48:20,819 --> 00:48:18,190
in news agents currently that's legal

1180
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:20,829
for any adult buy from from an informant

1181
00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:23,050
from a newsagent or an adult shop and

1182
00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:25,150
now on the internet that material will

1183
00:48:30,089 --> 00:48:27,430
be deemed at the same the same as a

1184
00:48:32,339 --> 00:48:30,099
child sexual abuse that's just insane

1185
00:48:33,569 --> 00:48:32,349
look it's totally insane and i think you

1186
00:48:34,770 --> 00:48:33,579
know unfortunately think the

1187
00:48:36,990 --> 00:48:34,780
government's are starting to realize

1188
00:48:38,849 --> 00:48:37,000
this but they are under extraordinary

1189
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:38,859
pressure from groups like the australian

1190
00:48:44,730 --> 00:48:41,650
christian lobby and family first who

1191
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:44,740
believe that you know sex is you know is

1192
00:48:49,319 --> 00:48:47,170
the demon and it's a great skate go to

1193
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:49,329
look at you know controlling speech and

1194
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:50,510
controlling things let's

1195
00:48:54,070 --> 00:48:52,250
you sex because people don't like to

1196
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,080
talk about it so it's an easy one for

1197
00:48:57,220 --> 00:48:56,000
them to kind of slip through you know

1198
00:48:59,410 --> 00:48:57,230
you don't you don't want to talk about

1199
00:49:00,940 --> 00:48:59,420
debbie does dallas the same as you don't

1200
00:49:03,370 --> 00:49:00,950
want you know there are always people

1201
00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:03,380
out there who want to restrict what we

1202
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:05,270
do in our own bedrooms that's right you

1203
00:49:08,830 --> 00:49:06,890
know they they have their position and I

1204
00:49:10,330 --> 00:49:08,840
absolutely respect their position but I

1205
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:10,340
don't see that it tests they have to

1206
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:13,730
infringe on night on my rights and you

1207
00:49:17,620 --> 00:49:14,930
know if you look at this the policy of

1208
00:49:19,150 --> 00:49:17,630
do no harm they could learn something

1209
00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:19,160
from that they certainly could we'll all

1210
00:49:23,780 --> 00:49:21,780
the best to thank you very much

1211
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:23,790
and I'm speaking with jury now who put

1212
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:25,710
all this protest together how do you

1213
00:49:28,940 --> 00:49:27,450
think it went today I think it went

1214
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:28,950
really well is really encouraging to see

1215
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,780
the turnout and the crowd response to

1216
00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:32,880
the speeches it will get was phenomenal

1217
00:49:37,700 --> 00:49:35,430
day and what's the next big protest you

1218
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:37,710
have planned next big action is march in

1219
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:39,810
march where we're going to be convening

1220
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:42,090
all of the the digital liberty coalition

1221
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:43,530
branches or all the different state

1222
00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:44,970
groups and we're going to be all

1223
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,640
marching on parliament in canberra

1224
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:49,200
that's going to be something so that

1225
00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:51,660
what went in much is that that's still

1226
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:54,630
being planned but marcha marcha law is

1227
00:49:58,850 --> 00:49:56,610
the website there for that particular

1228
00:50:00,830 --> 00:49:58,860
campaign all the information will be

1229
00:50:02,510 --> 00:50:00,840
there so if I was just about to ask you

1230
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:02,520
what's the best website people can go to

1231
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:05,370
so much in March or yep or where else

1232
00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:07,410
coming up there's also no censorship dot

1233
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:10,260
info which is the site that we've been

1234
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:13,250
running to organize all of like today's

1235
00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:15,690
national actions and so they've got the

1236
00:50:20,140 --> 00:50:17,790
forums there's where we brainstorm ideas

1237
00:50:24,130 --> 00:50:20,150
get thrown up there there's also our

1238
00:50:26,540 --> 00:50:24,140
corporate website DLC jasna you

1239
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:26,550
obviously we're a nonprofit organization

1240
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,890
so they're just the more business end of

1241
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:30,960
things there thank you very much thank

1242
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:36,270
oh and if you'd like to know more about

1243
00:50:52,570 --> 00:50:39,610
Dave the happy singer just visit dave

1244
00:51:00,620 --> 00:50:55,970
now it's time for dr. Rachel reports

1245
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,630
with dr. Rachel Dunlop hello everyone

1246
00:51:04,580 --> 00:51:02,640
and welcome to dr. Rachel reports and

1247
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:04,590
today's segment concerns the use of

1248
00:51:09,380 --> 00:51:06,930
alternative medicine where conventional

1249
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:09,390
medicine was desperately needed and what

1250
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:11,310
makes this case even more distressing as

1251
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:13,050
it involves the mistreatment and

1252
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:14,610
terrible suffering of a defenseless

1253
00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:17,880
child by her brain damaged father now

1254
00:51:22,310 --> 00:51:19,230
many of you may have heard about this

1255
00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:22,320
story it dates back to September 2006 in

1256
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:24,900
Queensland Australia but only came to

1257
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:27,300
court this week and it deals with the

1258
00:51:31,610 --> 00:51:29,400
fate of an eleven-year-old girl who was

1259
00:51:33,580 --> 00:51:31,620
admitted to hospital two weeks after

1260
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:33,590
contracting a serious heart infection

1261
00:51:39,260 --> 00:51:36,240
which manifested as a body temperature

1262
00:51:42,050 --> 00:51:39,270
of 42 degrees Celsius hallucinations

1263
00:51:43,790 --> 00:51:42,060
weakness and difficulty walking and the

1264
00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:43,800
girl who was described by the examining

1265
00:51:49,550 --> 00:51:46,140
doctor as sick as the sickest person

1266
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:49,560
I've ever seen in 35 years underwent

1267
00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:51,660
emergency heart bypass and valve

1268
00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:54,390
replacement spent some time in a coma

1269
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:55,800
due to bleeding on the brain and

1270
00:52:01,130 --> 00:51:57,900
remained in hospital for an entire year

1271
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:01,140
and she now has brain damage uses a

1272
00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:04,440
wheelchair and has reduced vision so how

1273
00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:06,180
do we explain the rapid descent into

1274
00:52:10,750 --> 00:52:08,760
such terrible illness of a young and

1275
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:10,760
previously healthy eleven-year-old girl

1276
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:13,140
while according to the court proceedings

1277
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,970
the girl's father reportedly had a

1278
00:52:19,370 --> 00:52:17,280
distrust of conventional medicine and

1279
00:52:21,740 --> 00:52:19,380
instead of seeking assistance from real

1280
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:21,750
doctors he had been feeding his child

1281
00:52:26,540 --> 00:52:24,330
aglycone nutrient dietary supplement

1282
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:26,550
which is manufactured and developed by

1283
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:29,220
manitech incorporated and I'll get on to

1284
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:31,980
these people in a little while now

1285
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,570
according to a report tended by a

1286
00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:36,000
psychologist in court the fathers belief

1287
00:52:41,180 --> 00:52:37,980
in manitex supplements bordered on

1288
00:52:43,220 --> 00:52:41,190
obsessive and also those reports cited

1289
00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:43,230
that he had an exaggerated view of his

1290
00:52:48,110 --> 00:52:45,420
own knowledge and ability about health

1291
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:48,120
treatments now the court was also told

1292
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:49,530
that when his daughter presented in

1293
00:52:53,900 --> 00:52:52,110
hospital her mouth was peeling black and

1294
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:53,910
clogged from the administration of

1295
00:52:58,820 --> 00:52:56,280
extremely high doses of this manitech

1296
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:58,830
supplement and as I mentioned earlier

1297
00:53:03,140 --> 00:53:01,440
even more tragically the father himself

1298
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:03,150
suffered from impaired judgement since

1299
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:05,010
he had received a brain injury several

1300
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:07,170
years earlier so what about this

1301
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:09,359
glyconutrients supplement and who are

1302
00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:12,420
these people manitech manitech

1303
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:14,220
incorporated if you check their website

1304
00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:16,020
make a range of wellness products

1305
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,420
including skincare growth essentials

1306
00:53:23,180 --> 00:53:20,640
performance nutrition weight loss

1307
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:23,190
products but their signature product is

1308
00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:25,410
a glycoprotein dietary supplement known

1309
00:53:29,809 --> 00:53:28,140
as ambra toes and according to their

1310
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:29,819
website it has been called the missing

1311
00:53:34,550 --> 00:53:32,609
link in human nutrition and are quote

1312
00:53:36,140 --> 00:53:34,560
allowing your cells to send and

1313
00:53:38,300 --> 00:53:36,150
translate messages to each other

1314
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:38,310
enabling them to communicate clearly and

1315
00:53:43,849 --> 00:53:41,490
operate efficiently and this as well

1316
00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:43,859
from their website help support your

1317
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:46,500
body's immune system now this is all

1318
00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:48,000
marketing jargon designed to make it

1319
00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:49,800
sound like the next miracle cure so

1320
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:51,390
let's look at the actual science of the

1321
00:53:55,370 --> 00:53:53,970
stuff what is in it well one of the

1322
00:53:57,819 --> 00:53:55,380
components in fact seventy eight percent

1323
00:54:01,280 --> 00:53:57,829
of the components of the tablet

1324
00:54:05,059 --> 00:54:01,290
Umberto's complex capsules is a product

1325
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,069
known as aloe barbadensis and this aloe

1326
00:54:08,809 --> 00:54:07,200
vera gel comes from the leaves of aloe

1327
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:08,819
barbadensis and it's been used for

1328
00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:11,609
centuries in folk medicine in fact in

1329
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:14,579
2006 the group of stl in a paper

1330
00:54:19,099 --> 00:54:16,730
published in carbohydrate research

1331
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:19,109
isolated the many components of this

1332
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:21,900
aloe vera gel to determine which parts

1333
00:54:27,099 --> 00:54:24,230
actually had a therapeutic effect and

1334
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:27,109
they reported that the processing and

1335
00:54:32,329 --> 00:54:29,609
conservation of this aloe vera gel is

1336
00:54:34,819 --> 00:54:32,339
critical in maintaining the active

1337
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:34,829
ingredient stability they said that

1338
00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:36,510
since poor storage results in the

1339
00:54:42,170 --> 00:54:38,670
breakdown of the potent compounds to

1340
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:42,180
simple sugars and glucose and they said

1341
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:44,460
and I quote therefore no reasonable

1342
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,290
biological activity can be anticipated

1343
00:54:51,170 --> 00:54:49,200
from such a gel or products derived from

1344
00:54:54,050 --> 00:54:51,180
it if it's not maintained in this

1345
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:54,060
special manner now one of the other

1346
00:54:59,780 --> 00:54:56,970
components in these Umberto's capsules

1347
00:55:01,819 --> 00:54:59,790
is called large bark and this stuff

1348
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:01,829
actually can't be digested by the human

1349
00:55:07,579 --> 00:55:04,170
body so its main effect is to just give

1350
00:55:09,260 --> 00:55:07,589
you flatulence what fun so unlike

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00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:09,270
pharmaceutical medicines strict

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regulations are not in place to

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00:55:14,589 --> 00:55:12,960
determine the exact composition of

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alternative medicine products

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00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:17,599
in Australia so unless you yourself were

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00:55:20,799 --> 00:55:19,249
to take one of these tablets and do the

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00:55:23,650 --> 00:55:20,809
analysis there is no way of knowing

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00:55:25,630 --> 00:55:23,660
exactly how much or how conserved the

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00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:25,640
active ingredient remains in these pills

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00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:27,680
but then we've come to expect this from

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00:55:32,410 --> 00:55:30,170
alternative medicine haven't we but what

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00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:32,420
makes this case different is contained

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00:55:37,710 --> 00:55:34,630
in the history of manitech itself

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00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:37,720
earlier this year in the u.s. they lost

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00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:40,609
11.25 million dollar class action suit

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00:55:46,029 --> 00:55:44,210
in 2007 the Texas Attorney General

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00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,039
charged them with unlawful misleading

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00:55:50,349 --> 00:55:48,079
sales practices including making

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00:55:52,450 --> 00:55:50,359
exaggerated claims about the therapeutic

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00:55:56,140 --> 00:55:52,460
benefits of their dietary supplements as

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00:55:58,059 --> 00:55:56,150
a method to increase sales and documents

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00:56:00,460 --> 00:55:58,069
filed in the Travis County District

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00:56:02,859 --> 00:56:00,470
Court revealed that manitech scheme was

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00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,869
to exploit families including those

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00:56:07,930 --> 00:56:05,119
challenged by cancer down syndrome

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00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:07,940
cystic fibrosis and other serious

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00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:10,400
illnesses and if you do a Google search

1378
00:56:15,099 --> 00:56:12,650
for manitech you can find them cited on

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00:56:17,859 --> 00:56:15,109
various can watch websites and they even

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00:56:19,509 --> 00:56:17,869
have a scathing Wikipedia page even more

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00:56:22,209 --> 00:56:19,519
deceitful is their attempt to hijack

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00:56:26,170 --> 00:56:22,219
Nobel prize-winning science but in this

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00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,180
case they actually got it wrong in 1999

1384
00:56:30,849 --> 00:56:28,160
the nobel prize for physiology or

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00:56:33,509 --> 00:56:30,859
medicine was awarded to dr. gunther blow

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00:56:36,190 --> 00:56:33,519
bell for his work with glycoproteins

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00:56:38,289 --> 00:56:36,200
someone at manitech got a little bit

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00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:38,299
mixed up and changed the prize to the

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00:56:44,499 --> 00:56:42,079
nobel peace prize and the year to 1994

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00:56:46,989 --> 00:56:44,509
now thankfully the scientists involved

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00:56:48,670 --> 00:56:46,999
did not take this lying down and issued

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00:56:53,229 --> 00:56:48,680
manitech with a cease and desist notice

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00:56:55,479 --> 00:56:53,239
and on sep tember 13 2007 two respected

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00:56:57,519 --> 00:56:55,489
glycobiology authored a scathing

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00:57:01,209 --> 00:56:57,529
critique of manitech which was published

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00:57:03,099 --> 00:57:01,219
online for the journal glycobiology it

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00:57:05,019 --> 00:57:03,109
was subsequently withdrawn due to

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00:57:06,849 --> 00:57:05,029
complaints from the company but it has

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00:57:10,180 --> 00:57:06,859
since been republished in glycobiology

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00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:10,190
this year this scathing critique was

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00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:12,170
when the proverbial began to hit the fan

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00:57:18,130 --> 00:57:15,529
and on november the second 2007 another

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00:57:19,690 --> 00:57:18,140
critical analysis of manitex tactics was

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00:57:22,420 --> 00:57:19,700
published in the highly respected

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00:57:23,890 --> 00:57:22,430
peer-reviewed journal science and this

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00:57:26,049 --> 00:57:23,900
article detailed the company's

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00:57:28,090 --> 00:57:26,059
underhanded attempts to infiltrate the

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00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:28,100
legitimate scientific community

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00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,050
including the story of a retired

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00:57:35,350 --> 00:57:32,960
professor and manitech consultant who

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00:57:38,050 --> 00:57:35,360
modified the 2006 addition of a

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00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:38,060
respected science textbook known as

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00:57:42,910 --> 00:57:40,640
Harper's Illustrated biochemistry to

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00:57:45,820 --> 00:57:42,920
suggest the benefits of glycan nutrient

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00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:45,830
supplements one of the eminent glyka

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00:57:51,550 --> 00:57:47,810
biologists involved in this action has

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00:57:53,620 --> 00:57:51,560
been cited as saying quote it's none of

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00:57:55,450 --> 00:57:53,630
our business as glycobiology if

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00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,460
nutraceutical companies want to sell

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00:58:00,070 --> 00:57:58,160
bark extract when they begin to tie it

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00:58:02,290 --> 00:58:00,080
to our discipline then it becomes a

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00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:02,300
problem so this is not to detract from

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00:58:07,060 --> 00:58:05,090
the tragedy of this sad event in court

1424
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:07,070
on Tuesday in Australia the girl's

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00:58:11,830 --> 00:58:09,710
father pleaded guilty to one count of

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00:58:14,980 --> 00:58:11,840
grievous bodily harm and will serve six

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00:58:16,690 --> 00:58:14,990
months in jail whilst her mother was

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00:58:18,790 --> 00:58:16,700
sentenced to 12 months jail for child

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00:58:21,220 --> 00:58:18,800
cruelty but was immediately released on

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00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:21,230
bail the victims in this case are a

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00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:23,210
brain-damaged wheelchair-bound 11 year

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00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:25,490
old and a no doubt heartbroken brain

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00:58:30,550 --> 00:58:28,730
injured father meanwhile dr. Robert a

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00:58:32,860 --> 00:58:30,560
still not the chief scientific officer

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00:58:36,270 --> 00:58:32,870
and senior vice president of manitech

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00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:36,280
incorporated quietly collapse his us

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00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:41,450
311514 ein dollars annual wage with 23

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00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:43,190
thousand four hundred dollars in bonuses

1439
00:58:47,650 --> 00:58:45,410
and I'll leave the final word with

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00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:47,660
manitech themselves if you visit their

1441
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:49,670
website you'll find this disclaimer on

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00:58:54,790 --> 00:58:52,400
their products this product is not

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00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:54,800
intended to diagnose treat cure or

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00:59:00,010 --> 00:58:57,770
prevent any disease that says it all and

1445
00:59:02,140 --> 00:59:00,020
for all the relevant links and further

1446
00:59:04,930 --> 00:59:02,150
reading about this story please head to

1447
00:59:07,180 --> 00:59:04,940
skeptics on TV and click on the zone

1448
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:07,190
blog to find my accompanying blog for

1449
00:59:19,999 --> 00:59:09,770
this story and until next time this has

1450
00:59:24,089 --> 00:59:22,589
hello my name is my koala and and

1451
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:24,099
welcome to the roundup where I share

1452
00:59:28,229 --> 00:59:26,079
news and views will interest skeptics

1453
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:28,239
humanists secularists and followers of

1454
00:59:31,950 --> 00:59:30,400
the flying spaghetti monster I must

1455
00:59:32,999 --> 00:59:31,960
admit I smoked when I heard the trial

1456
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:33,009
for Wayne been two self-proclaimed

1457
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:34,720
Messiah and cult leaders started this

1458
00:59:38,670 --> 00:59:36,729
month Australians might recall watching

1459
00:59:40,650 --> 00:59:38,680
a documentary earlier this year on four

1460
00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:40,660
corners about bent called the end of the

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00:59:47,009 --> 00:59:42,910
world cult let's listen to some wise

1462
00:59:50,819 --> 00:59:47,019
words from bent one day by myself was in

1463
00:59:53,940 --> 00:59:50,829
my trailer and I sat down in my chair

1464
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:53,950
just relaxing and there was nothing on

1465
01:00:02,589 --> 00:59:57,970
my mind in particular and then God said

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01:00:09,729 --> 01:00:02,599
to me you are Messiah

1467
01:00:13,509 --> 01:00:09,739
I am the embodiment of God I am divinity

1468
01:00:15,849 --> 01:00:13,519
and humanity combined like David Koresh

1469
01:00:17,650 --> 01:00:15,859
of burning blazing Waco Fame Wayne been

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01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:17,660
started out as a seventh-day Adventist

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01:00:22,420 --> 01:00:20,930
preacher bent the leader of the Lord our

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01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:22,430
righteousness church who believes he's

1473
01:00:26,499 --> 01:00:24,650
the second coming of Jesus is accused of

1474
01:00:28,809 --> 01:00:26,509
molesting children whom he says he was

1475
01:00:30,759 --> 01:00:28,819
only healing he was charged with lying

1476
01:00:33,370 --> 01:00:30,769
there good with two nude underage girls

1477
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:33,380
one of the girls said bent a man in his

1478
01:00:37,930 --> 01:00:35,569
60s kissed her on the lips and breasts

1479
01:00:40,089 --> 01:00:37,940
naturally been said the encounter was a

1480
01:00:42,819 --> 01:00:40,099
religious experience not a sexual one

1481
01:00:44,140 --> 01:00:42,829
Jeff bent the son of wine band has said

1482
01:00:46,029 --> 01:00:44,150
his father did lay naked with the

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01:00:48,219 --> 01:00:46,039
children but said he's never had sexual

1484
01:00:50,019 --> 01:00:48,229
contact with minors at all ever he's

1485
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:50,029
been very careful to protect and respect

1486
01:00:54,489 --> 01:00:52,130
people he's been with and who has

1487
01:00:56,410 --> 01:00:54,499
touched and held he compared the

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01:00:58,479 --> 01:00:56,420
practice of lying naked with teenagers

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01:01:00,249 --> 01:00:58,489
as something akin to a parent holding a

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01:01:02,829 --> 01:01:00,259
child and said it was something his

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01:01:04,509 --> 01:01:02,839
father was ordered to do by God Jeff

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01:01:06,489 --> 01:01:04,519
band also said that God ordered his

1493
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:06,499
father to take his own wife as a

1494
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:09,170
spiritual wife so they divorced since

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01:01:13,059 --> 01:01:10,729
Jeff believes his father to be the

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01:01:15,009 --> 01:01:13,069
Messiah this was a sacrifice who felt he

1497
01:01:16,359 --> 01:01:15,019
had to make for God then

1498
01:01:18,190 --> 01:01:16,369
melodramatically believes his

1499
01:01:20,019 --> 01:01:18,200
persecution will bring about the end of

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01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:20,029
the world and claims that the

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01:01:23,709 --> 01:01:21,410
investigations into his dubious

1502
01:01:26,019 --> 01:01:23,719
activities of course such things as the

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01:01:28,660 --> 01:01:26,029
crisis on Wall Street I wonder if Barack

1504
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,670
Obama knows that when he was arrested in

1505
01:01:32,829 --> 01:01:30,799
May been said that he was stopped eating

1506
01:01:34,749 --> 01:01:32,839
since then he has been in and out of

1507
01:01:37,539 --> 01:01:34,759
jail and been doing some overly dramatic

1508
01:01:39,309 --> 01:01:37,549
and sporadic fasting it's possible the

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01:01:40,779 --> 01:01:39,319
space between the collarbone and a

1510
01:01:43,150 --> 01:01:40,789
girl's breasts could be the difference

1511
01:01:45,819 --> 01:01:43,160
between guilt or innocence for this cult

1512
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,829
leader because bents defense lawyer has

1513
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:47,359
said one of the girls involved in the

1514
01:01:50,499 --> 01:01:49,130
naked fraternizing told her in an

1515
01:01:52,660 --> 01:01:50,509
interview that the kissing happened

1516
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:52,670
closer to her clavicle and not on her

1517
01:01:57,249 --> 01:01:55,119
breasts this may make all the difference

1518
01:01:58,839 --> 01:01:57,259
then said at one point he wouldn't

1519
01:02:00,579 --> 01:01:58,849
participate in the legal proceedings

1520
01:02:02,979 --> 01:02:00,589
because he believed he won't get a fair

1521
01:02:05,079 --> 01:02:02,989
trial however he has been silently

1522
01:02:07,150 --> 01:02:05,089
attending his hearing it's interesting

1523
01:02:09,130 --> 01:02:07,160
to note that a man who said he only

1524
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:09,140
answers to God will soon have to answer

1525
01:02:20,279 --> 01:02:18,210
my second story also comes from the US

1526
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:20,289
of A this story comes from the Lone Star

1527
01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:23,200
State Texas a judge sentenced to

1528
01:02:26,759 --> 01:02:24,910
religious sects elder to 30 years in

1529
01:02:29,420 --> 01:02:26,769
prison for molesting an eleven-year-old

1530
01:02:32,609 --> 01:02:29,430
girl during a phony cervical cancer exam

1531
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:32,619
yet a dire Hawkins a house of Yahweh

1532
01:02:36,990 --> 01:02:35,440
elder faced a maximum penalty of life in

1533
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:37,000
prison after being convicted of

1534
01:02:41,759 --> 01:02:39,180
aggravated sexual assault of a child

1535
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:41,769
Hawkins has no medical training they

1536
01:02:46,019 --> 01:02:43,690
used a medical instrument to examine the

1537
01:02:48,450 --> 01:02:46,029
girl at a home in 2005 according to

1538
01:02:50,130 --> 01:02:48,460
trial testimony a former house of the

1539
01:02:52,170 --> 01:02:50,140
our way member testified that Hawkins

1540
01:02:55,019 --> 01:02:52,180
actually was worried the girl was not a

1541
01:02:56,759 --> 01:02:55,029
virgin some defense witnesses testified

1542
01:02:58,460 --> 01:02:56,769
at the sentencing hearing that they

1543
01:03:00,900 --> 01:02:58,470
never saw Hawkins abused children

1544
01:03:03,450 --> 01:03:00,910
several became emotional and teary when

1545
01:03:05,549 --> 01:03:03,460
pleading for leniency Hawkins other

1546
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:05,559
charges including aggravated perjury

1547
01:03:10,380 --> 01:03:08,170
indecency with a child and bigamy will

1548
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:10,390
remain pending the sex leader

1549
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:12,609
self-proclaimed prophet ezra Hawkins

1550
01:03:17,490 --> 01:03:14,710
faces trial next year on bigamy and

1551
01:03:19,950 --> 01:03:17,500
child labor charges is accused of having

1552
01:03:22,499 --> 01:03:19,960
more than 20 wives performing polygamous

1553
01:03:25,380 --> 01:03:22,509
weddings enforcing about 40 children to

1554
01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:25,390
work at his 44-acre compound you might

1555
01:03:29,009 --> 01:03:27,190
remember use rail Hawkins claimed the

1556
01:03:32,190 --> 01:03:29,019
world was going to face a nuclear war on

1557
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:32,200
sep tember 12 2006 let's remember that

1558
01:03:39,630 --> 01:03:35,440
memorable prophecy don't forget write

1559
01:03:42,269 --> 01:03:39,640
down this date sep tember the 12 2006 no

1560
01:03:46,730 --> 01:03:42,279
killer wore yes prophecy shows that

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01:03:50,490 --> 01:03:46,740
nuclear war will start September the 12

1562
01:03:52,289 --> 01:03:50,500
2006 remarkably that doomsday scenario

1563
01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:52,299
didn't happen but the official website

1564
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:54,400
of the house of Yahweh continues to

1565
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,410
insist on the accuracy of its prophecy

1566
01:04:01,859 --> 01:03:58,960
they have since modified their teachings

1567
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:01,869
by saying that September 12 2006 was

1568
01:04:06,210 --> 01:04:04,480
only the start of a nine-month period at

1569
01:04:09,420 --> 01:04:06,220
the end of that time the prophesized

1570
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:09,430
nuclear war would start wrong again we

1571
01:04:13,049 --> 01:04:11,049
look forward to seeing what occurs to

1572
01:04:19,170 --> 01:04:13,059
this juby asst leader and how many other

1573
01:04:24,249 --> 01:04:21,880
hi this is Richard Saunders with a quick

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01:04:27,219 --> 01:04:24,259
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01:05:44,589 --> 01:05:40,400
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skeptic zone thank you very much thank

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01:05:50,210 --> 01:05:47,329
you for having me I'm very excited now

1598
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:50,220
it's come to my attention that the

1599
01:05:56,270 --> 01:05:54,000
the skeptics in Arizona the northern

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01:05:58,820 --> 01:05:56,280
Arizona skeptics have started their own

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01:06:02,330 --> 01:05:58,830
skeptics in the pub which we think is a

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01:06:04,070 --> 01:06:02,340
good idea that's a great idea and they

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01:06:06,500 --> 01:06:04,080
are apparently going to be meeting on

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01:06:10,339 --> 01:06:06,510
the twentieth of this month at the

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01:06:13,250 --> 01:06:10,349
Bigfoot barbecue at 7pm now I couldn't

1606
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:13,260
imagine a Flagstaff in Flagstaff I

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01:06:17,210 --> 01:06:15,210
should say that in flakes up Arizona I

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01:06:20,060 --> 01:06:17,220
couldn't think of a better place the

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01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:20,070
Bigfoot things were the Bigfoot public

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01:06:27,980 --> 01:06:25,200
you the big saw a BBQ big coochie dancer

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01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:27,990
he doesn't look so Abby how do we know

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01:06:41,070 --> 01:06:29,760
about that Richard is because of amanda

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01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,510
our destruction of fun

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01:06:52,300 --> 01:06:48,850
come to my mentioning Flagstaff last

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01:06:54,610 --> 01:06:52,310
week the organizer got in touch rises so

1616
01:06:57,250 --> 01:06:54,620
that was really good cool so people are

1617
01:06:59,880 --> 01:06:57,260
listening to the podcast surprisingly

1618
01:07:03,300 --> 01:06:59,890
enough okay so all your people in

1619
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:03,310
Flagstaff you can go to the meetup com

1620
01:07:10,660 --> 01:07:07,250
look for the northern Arizona skeptics

1621
01:07:12,940 --> 01:07:10,670
or head along to the Bigfoot barbecue on

1622
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:12,950
the twentieth of this month which is

1623
01:07:19,150 --> 01:07:15,010
about when this podcast goes up Morris

1624
01:07:21,340 --> 01:07:19,160
at 7pm and I wish I could go me too me

1625
01:07:23,770 --> 01:07:21,350
too and while we're shouting up to

1626
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:23,780
people i'm going to shout out to a Jason

1627
01:07:27,820 --> 01:07:26,240
holder in Indiana thanks for listening

1628
01:07:29,860 --> 01:07:27,830
to the show Jason and thanks for giving

1629
01:07:33,820 --> 01:07:29,870
me a an encouraging message earlier

1630
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:33,830
today Oh Jason thanks for listening now

1631
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:37,280
dr. Rachel you are eager as ever to

1632
01:07:41,710 --> 01:07:38,720
impart your great wisdom and knowledge

1633
01:07:43,810 --> 01:07:41,720
suzl oh I've got a fantastic story about

1634
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:43,820
Tom Cruise our favorite favorite

1635
01:07:47,579 --> 01:07:45,039
celebrity

1636
01:07:51,390 --> 01:07:47,589
don't we all love tompa love shampoo

1637
01:07:54,329 --> 01:07:51,400
he's just so great as me he apologized

1638
01:07:55,919 --> 01:07:54,339
this week we to Matt Lauer and many of

1639
01:07:59,519 --> 01:07:55,929
you would know Matt Lauer is one of the

1640
01:08:01,620 --> 01:07:59,529
hosts on the today show in America he

1641
01:08:04,890 --> 01:08:01,630
apologized for criticizing brooke

1642
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:04,900
shields back in 2005 after she had a

1643
01:08:09,479 --> 01:08:06,880
baby and she talked about how many

1644
01:08:12,179 --> 01:08:09,489
personnel depressions and as is the

1645
01:08:15,530 --> 01:08:12,189
belief of Scientologists and most of you

1646
01:08:18,329 --> 01:08:15,540
guys most relations wouldn't notice that

1647
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:18,339
Scientologists don't believe in mental

1648
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:21,450
illness or treatment by psychiatry or

1649
01:08:26,790 --> 01:08:24,640
pharmaceuticals for psychiatry and he

1650
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,800
made a scathing criticism of brooke

1651
01:08:29,970 --> 01:08:28,000
shields saying that there's no such

1652
01:08:31,559 --> 01:08:29,980
thing as personnel depression she's just

1653
01:08:34,770 --> 01:08:31,569
making it up and she should just go and

1654
01:08:36,510 --> 01:08:34,780
get a hug kind of stuff anyway he he

1655
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:36,520
hasn't appeared on The Today Show since

1656
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:40,089
then but he appeared on Monday and to

1657
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:41,410
sit with his first interview with Matt

1658
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:44,170
Lauer and he actually made a semi

1659
01:08:49,740 --> 01:08:47,920
apology hmm he said and I quote in

1660
01:08:51,329 --> 01:08:49,750
looking at myself I thought man that

1661
01:08:53,010 --> 01:08:51,339
came across as arrogant that's one of

1662
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:53,020
those things you go okay I could have

1663
01:08:57,750 --> 01:08:56,290
absolutely handled that better good all

1664
01:08:59,820 --> 01:08:57,760
right moving right along here's an

1665
01:09:01,980 --> 01:08:59,830
interesting one now I have a pre doubt a

1666
01:09:03,570 --> 01:09:01,990
picture here to show you all I showed

1667
01:09:05,790 --> 01:09:03,580
Tiffany a little earlier while we were

1668
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:05,800
having them a big treat I'll act

1669
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:09,850
surprised yo thank you she likes it now

1670
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:11,650
Rachel you're a medical type person I

1671
01:09:17,130 --> 01:09:14,560
know that and Amanda you know a thing or

1672
01:09:20,430 --> 01:09:17,140
two know what what do you see there is

1673
01:09:21,599 --> 01:09:20,440
I'm holding for Jesus no it's Mary you

1674
01:09:24,329 --> 01:09:21,609
can see that straight away are you

1675
01:09:26,010 --> 01:09:24,339
better than me I wasn't married what I'm

1676
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:26,020
holding up folks is actually the France

1677
01:09:30,690 --> 01:09:28,330
care but he'd in the brain is fair to

1678
01:09:32,940 --> 01:09:30,700
marry this is a brain scan of a lady

1679
01:09:35,220 --> 01:09:32,950
called Pamela lateral natural thank you

1680
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:35,230
let Ramon and she's from Florida and

1681
01:09:40,410 --> 01:09:36,970
this is only just coming to news she had

1682
01:09:43,050 --> 01:09:40,420
a brain scan and she was saying that the

1683
01:09:44,940 --> 01:09:43,060
she was old apparently as a lot of

1684
01:09:46,620 --> 01:09:44,950
people in the states do find themselves

1685
01:09:48,990 --> 01:09:46,630
in the situation where there

1686
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:49,000
they struggle to pay medical bills yes

1687
01:10:03,450 --> 01:09:51,370
those are their medical system lacking

1688
01:10:05,820 --> 01:10:03,460
in this country we is that your

1689
01:10:09,810 --> 01:10:05,830
Glaswegian no that's not my best time

1690
01:10:11,580 --> 01:10:09,820
here so I don't have to go anyway yes so

1691
01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:11,590
a lot of people do have trouble paying

1692
01:10:15,810 --> 01:10:14,110
medical bills in the United States so

1693
01:10:18,209 --> 01:10:15,820
she had a brain scan and lo and behold

1694
01:10:20,370 --> 01:10:18,219
as I hold it up here yes I can see a

1695
01:10:22,740 --> 01:10:20,380
figure of cloaked figure and it does

1696
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:22,750
look like a Sith Lord it really does

1697
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:24,850
it's peridot Leah but yes he doesn't

1698
01:10:29,820 --> 01:10:28,239
like legendary I was actually searching

1699
01:10:31,290 --> 01:10:29,830
for Jesus or Marik's I thought it's got

1700
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:31,300
to be one of the two and I couldn't see

1701
01:10:36,350 --> 01:10:33,280
it thank you sir not until short

1702
01:10:39,930 --> 01:10:36,360
immediately actually I must admit I seat

1703
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:39,940
variants I was looking at it right close

1704
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:41,650
to my face can you see it now I can see

1705
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:44,489
it now really yet oh and by the way

1706
01:10:50,910 --> 01:10:48,489
christmas is coming isn't it nice and

1707
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,920
sweet still he's suing her I'm also

1708
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:52,480
wearing a silly hat mrs. but you just

1709
01:10:57,220 --> 01:10:54,370
can't see it they put some photos I

1710
01:10:59,800 --> 01:10:57,230
hospital shall we

1711
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:59,810
once again everyone I'm sorry to have to

1712
01:11:05,050 --> 01:11:01,520
announce this to you the world is going

1713
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:05,060
to end Oh again again does this happen a

1714
01:11:09,790 --> 01:11:07,910
lot yeah last time was too traumatic now

1715
01:11:12,850 --> 01:11:09,800
it's happening again it is going to

1716
01:11:14,290 --> 01:11:12,860
happen again it's amazing the repair

1717
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:14,300
mechanisms up to what that the world

1718
01:11:24,940 --> 01:11:19,040
seems to have it's from let me just see

1719
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:24,950
it's leland Freeborn of parowan Utah and

1720
01:11:31,050 --> 01:11:27,410
he has a small group of followers known

1721
01:11:33,630 --> 01:11:31,060
as the para when profit

1722
01:11:35,850 --> 01:11:33,640
Master again that's my patience don't

1723
01:11:38,130 --> 01:11:35,860
put this in the podcast but neither do

1724
01:11:42,030 --> 01:11:38,140
they reach him neither do they are you

1725
01:11:45,150 --> 01:11:42,040
saying okay this comes from a gentleman

1726
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:45,160
by the name of Leland Freeborn of Utah

1727
01:11:51,780 --> 01:11:48,490
and the US and he has a small group of

1728
01:11:56,370 --> 01:11:51,790
followers who call him the para one

1729
01:11:57,630 --> 01:11:56,380
prophet and he has decided that riots in

1730
01:11:59,880 --> 01:11:57,640
the United States will begin before

1731
01:12:01,860 --> 01:11:59,890
Christmas and this is a direct result of

1732
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:01,870
barack obama winning the presidential

1733
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:06,030
election obviously and the old line

1734
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:08,320
Soviet guard will jump on the

1735
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:10,570
opportunity and new purse killing a

1736
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:14,050
hundred million people or more yeah so

1737
01:12:19,380 --> 01:12:17,710
oh the journalists los angeles times

1738
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:19,390
reported by the name of peter king we

1739
01:12:24,090 --> 01:12:21,850
traveled to peter to ciety Freeborn time

1740
01:12:26,430 --> 01:12:24,100
to get some details about this and it

1741
01:12:30,490 --> 01:12:26,440
turns out and you'll all be surprised to

1742
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:30,500
do this freeborn has predicted

1743
01:12:36,190 --> 01:12:33,440
you know end of the world things before

1744
01:12:40,150 --> 01:12:36,200
get out he wasn't wore off well they

1745
01:12:44,140 --> 01:12:40,160
didn't come true not really no no fur

1746
01:12:49,390 --> 01:12:44,150
but he's but he did say that um it's not

1747
01:12:51,730 --> 01:12:49,400
an exact science but he's actually

1748
01:12:54,100 --> 01:12:51,740
quoted in this article as a survivalist

1749
01:12:59,280 --> 01:12:54,110
who keeps iodine handy in order to ward

1750
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:01,690
apparently yes this is going to happen

1751
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:03,440
over Christmas and there's actually a

1752
01:13:07,870 --> 01:13:05,810
comment in here from Ben Radford who

1753
01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:07,880
most of us would know it was bet he was

1754
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:09,380
interviewed on our show two weeks ago

1755
01:13:13,570 --> 01:13:12,080
yeah not two weeks ago and he says that

1756
01:13:16,330 --> 01:13:13,580
failed doomsday predictions are nothing

1757
01:13:17,950 --> 01:13:16,340
new there have been thousands of people

1758
01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:17,960
predicting the imminent end of the world

1759
01:13:22,170 --> 01:13:20,510
dating back to at least two thousand

1760
01:13:24,930 --> 01:13:22,180
eight hundred bc

1761
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:24,940
I guess what we're still here barrel

1762
01:13:29,100 --> 01:13:27,370
roll that's right but of course as we

1763
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:29,110
know from Tiffany earlier in the show

1764
01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:31,090
with a great review of death from the

1765
01:13:36,990 --> 01:13:33,460
skies the world's not going to end in a

1766
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:37,000
puff of smoke caused by God's is it no

1767
01:13:41,310 --> 01:13:39,040
it's no it's not don't be so optimistic

1768
01:13:42,510 --> 01:13:41,320
Tiffany because apparently if you wake

1769
01:13:44,370 --> 01:13:42,520
up on Christmas Day and you're still

1770
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:44,380
alive so for Australians that would be

1771
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:46,960
about 17 hours later so we all die in

1772
01:13:51,900 --> 01:13:48,850
sequence it's already at the time yeah

1773
01:13:53,250 --> 01:13:51,910
well I guess if the nuclear attack make

1774
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:53,260
repairs in the States it's going to take

1775
01:13:57,690 --> 01:13:55,090
a while to for the radioactive fallout

1776
01:14:02,250 --> 01:13:57,700
to come here right so we would die

1777
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:02,260
earlier that is true no later yes later

1778
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:04,570
because if we die on Chris happen there

1779
01:14:07,770 --> 01:14:06,250
on Christmas Day re bottom doing here by

1780
01:14:10,260 --> 01:14:07,780
the time the fallout register which will

1781
01:14:13,860 --> 01:14:10,270
be Christmas Day they're not everyone's

1782
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:13,870
day their crimes 28 hours behind in some

1783
01:14:19,260 --> 01:14:15,610
parts of the states depending on where

1784
01:14:21,930 --> 01:14:19,270
you go 20 hours really 1720

1785
01:14:23,610 --> 01:14:21,940
ok we have attained on me sorry for you

1786
01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:23,620
listeners in the states to know you're

1787
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:29,590
behind heavenly anyway in 2012 the whole

1788
01:14:34,020 --> 01:14:32,080
world is expected to end as opposed to

1789
01:14:36,930 --> 01:14:34,030
oh yeah well I don't know what's the

1790
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:36,940
difference pedantic according to

1791
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:40,210
hotlanta wayne bent he is the son of God

1792
01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:42,850
apparently but he is also predicted the

1793
01:14:48,570 --> 01:14:44,980
world was going to end previously about

1794
01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:48,580
a year ago but happy Christmas everyone

1795
01:14:52,830 --> 01:14:50,110
and make sure you get your presents

1796
01:14:55,650 --> 01:14:52,840
early because the world's gonna end yeah

1797
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:55,660
happy christmas happy christmas happy

1798
01:15:00,810 --> 01:14:57,250
the world's going around here have been

1799
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:00,820
questioned don't worry the statistics

1800
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:03,730
show that is unlikely based on previous

1801
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:06,370
results so glad to eat in the packet

1802
01:15:11,130 --> 01:15:09,280
science i'm very glad to you know it's

1803
01:15:13,380 --> 01:15:11,140
not just funny things that happen in the

1804
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:13,390
United States at this time of the year

1805
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:16,330
yeah something will happen down in a

1806
01:15:21,780 --> 01:15:18,850
suburb next to your place last week what

1807
01:15:23,580 --> 01:15:21,790
what'd you hear about this there was

1808
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:23,590
some black magic glowing way did you

1809
01:15:29,940 --> 01:15:27,040
have anything to do with that tell me

1810
01:15:33,930 --> 01:15:29,950
more whoo okay well it actually happened

1811
01:15:35,370 --> 01:15:33,940
in between 2001 2005 but a woman has

1812
01:15:37,770 --> 01:15:35,380
been charged with aggravated sexual

1813
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:37,780
assault for committing having social

1814
01:15:43,850 --> 01:15:40,480
intercourse without consent after posing

1815
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:43,860
as a black magic feel

1816
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:46,800
and this occurred in Sam Hill which is a

1817
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:49,050
suburb Mitch next two most most of it

1818
01:15:54,650 --> 01:15:52,080
yeah your local train station it is yeah

1819
01:15:57,140 --> 01:15:54,660
okay so it was a husband and wife team

1820
01:15:59,600 --> 01:15:57,150
and they've been charged with 79

1821
01:16:02,960 --> 01:15:59,610
offenses in relation to one warm at work

1822
01:16:05,090 --> 01:16:02,970
and they would prearranged prayer

1823
01:16:10,090 --> 01:16:05,100
sessions at various motels and hotels

1824
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:10,100
across Sydney and then commit sexual

1825
01:16:15,410 --> 01:16:11,910
intercourse with these people without

1826
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:15,420
their consent of group that's right yeah

1827
01:16:19,820 --> 01:16:17,730
what was the pre-tax then where'd the

1828
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:19,830
black man she coming yeah yeah I'm just

1829
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:23,010
so they would face the women thought

1830
01:16:28,730 --> 01:16:25,530
that they were cursed that's right it

1831
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:28,740
was it was a church group yeah and they

1832
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:31,530
encouraged this idea that the women were

1833
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:33,360
cursed

1834
01:16:40,669 --> 01:16:37,440
then offered their services to get rid

1835
01:16:43,010 --> 01:16:40,679
of the curse which involved allegedly

1836
01:16:45,979 --> 01:16:43,020
you know driving and allegedly of course

1837
01:16:48,109 --> 01:16:45,989
these sort of things and many thousands

1838
01:16:49,820 --> 01:16:48,119
of dollars as well for each well it says

1839
01:16:51,229 --> 01:16:49,830
here fifty thousand dollars from the

1840
01:16:54,859 --> 01:16:51,239
couple

1841
01:16:57,109 --> 01:16:54,869
with intent to steal it yeah so they've

1842
01:16:58,970 --> 01:16:57,119
appeared in court so I guess we'll find

1843
01:16:59,459 --> 01:16:58,980
out whether it's alleged or not be

1844
01:17:03,739 --> 01:16:59,469
pretty

1845
01:17:06,750 --> 01:17:03,749
what I wonder is why all the coup

1846
01:17:09,330 --> 01:17:06,760
legitimate psychics out there I know it

1847
01:17:13,109 --> 01:17:09,340
does give them a bad well yeah of course

1848
01:17:15,540 --> 01:17:13,119
now why aren't they forming vigilante

1849
01:17:17,879 --> 01:17:15,550
groups or protest groups or watch groups

1850
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:17,889
to weed out the fakes in their industry

1851
01:17:23,129 --> 01:17:20,170
that's a really good point Richard why

1852
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:23,139
don't they do it yeah that's a good

1853
01:17:30,569 --> 01:17:27,130
point soon because um oh sorry how could

1854
01:17:33,239 --> 01:17:30,579
you possibly tell the fakes he said

1855
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:33,249
being facetious what are you inferring

1856
01:17:38,879 --> 01:17:36,159
rich in your pocket is real oh you're on

1857
01:17:43,549 --> 01:17:38,889
yours and mine is that's right he

1858
01:17:46,830 --> 01:17:43,559
doesn't yeah ah him yeah break you guys

1859
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:46,840
know I wonder mm-hmm Ray had a rating

1860
01:17:51,569 --> 01:17:49,690
how do you know no I heard more ed I've

1861
01:17:53,489 --> 01:17:51,579
had ratings I've had more reading so

1862
01:17:54,899 --> 01:17:53,499
you've had hot dinners poking that's

1863
01:17:56,779 --> 01:17:54,909
what they know I know you're having

1864
01:17:59,250 --> 01:17:56,789
point but you know I've had readings

1865
01:18:01,169 --> 01:17:59,260
although my ones real how would you know

1866
01:18:03,450 --> 01:18:01,179
there's another comeback to that people

1867
01:18:05,250 --> 01:18:03,460
say how can you knock this person

1868
01:18:06,959 --> 01:18:05,260
without going to the mall whatever I say

1869
01:18:10,859 --> 01:18:06,969
well you know I don't have to visit the

1870
01:18:13,620 --> 01:18:10,869
South Pole to know it's cold aren't you

1871
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:13,630
a smarty I am it must be that clever hat

1872
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:17,199
you wear it is it good yeah nice to see

1873
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:21,130
this mom or Richard before we go we're

1874
01:18:25,049 --> 01:18:22,239
going to mention the poll on the website

1875
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:25,059
oh thank you dr. Rachel for reminding me

1876
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:27,760
we're very interested listeners to know

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how you found out about us and if you go

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to our website www skeptic zone

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and scroll down you'll find out Paul yes

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with how did you find out about it was a

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friend or is it a Google search or

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advertising whatever so please run to

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our website scroll down and click the

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appropriate box and just tonight this is

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you have to scroll down almost to the

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bottom of the page to keep going it's on

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the left hand side of the page and

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you'll you'll see it when you get to the

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bottom line 21 so if you could do that

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it would help us and we would appreciate

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that very much we were too because so

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far just myself and Richard have

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incident other people to it oh really I

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didn't check it today we only just put

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it up so from our favorite Club

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conveniently located just down the road

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from my place you had to come to tech

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and the club that don't allow women with

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phones in yeah oh hang on an angel

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jealous ringing Mary okay we made every

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min flip-flops shoes dollars yeah like

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beach wit so when he turned up in a

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thong and they wouldn't let him let me

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in last time wearing thongs and I had

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heels in my bag we good people in the US

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Tiffany where's to thongs and amanda

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Hahnville [\h__\h] a contrasting colors she

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does not that I know and listen his

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uncle cuddle next year this has been the

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Richard as an innocent bystander

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listening to that show I can see now why

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we number one I wear naman it's awesome

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what a show thank you again to Pamela

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gay I really appreciated her giving me

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the time and as a thank you I send her a

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copy of my origami DVD Oh lovely 3d

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origami an excellent DVD which you

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yeah nothing like a shameless plug or

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nothing like James bike and a copy of my

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good friend and our voiceover man Jamal

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sure his latest poetry DVD oh yes I said

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in a family guy excellent now listen is

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also and i'm sure most of you know about

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this there's a really great website we'd

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like to talk about called what's the

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harm dot net yeah what a sight that is a

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sight when people ask you are yeah i

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believe in sticking camels up my nose or

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in my years yes the hammam you can go to

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what's that I'm got then you find out

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the quantifiable homes being done by all

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these things it's excellent scuffle

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sorts of things like numerology just

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looking at site now yeah it's really

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good people have actually been killed

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within the infant schwa bench wash my

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jammies thanks ray and all of the rest

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of that stuff it's an excellent service

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the harm net what's the harm net and

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some a lot of lucky listeners out there

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by now will be going to their post boxes

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and getting the latest edition of the

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Australian skeptics magazine the skeptic

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yes which has just come out great bag

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too late man lots of content in there

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were a riveting read you have lots of

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contributors and of course if you are

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overseas you can visit the Australian

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skeptics website which is www text com

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au you can subscribe to the skeptic

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magazine and in fact you can download

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past issues issues that's right we are

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nothing to hide we're here we given it

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away so not a great show Richard that's

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let's come back in a couple weeks time

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yeah you and I'll be back in a couple of

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weeks time in the new year in the new

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year but as a christmas special on

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Boxing Day which is the 26th of December

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we have an interview with Derek and

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swoopy from skeptic ality ah great

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Campbell they are yes they're excellent

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i will have a great Christmas thank yous

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Devin will be listening on Boxing Day by

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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zone visit our website at www skeptics

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on TV for comments contacts and extra

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